I was in my comic shop today and these guys were having a debate on wether or not scott was wrong for what he did to Madelyne Pryor. I having just got into comics last year has no idea what they've talking about. could you please help me out!

Anonymous

americaniconoclast:

xcyclopswasrightx:

They are talking about how he abandoned his wife, and son, when he found out Jean Grey was alive. To put it simply, he has a history of being a shitty husband.

Becoming a father was not the single greatest moment in Scott’s life. At least, not at the time.

image

Madelyne wanted him to leave the X-Men, becoming a family man. Scott wasn’t hot on the idea of becoming domesticated, and wanted to stay. In fact, he felt the X-Men needed him. Real problems arise when your whole identity is carved out of your career choice. I do not think he was able to comprehend a life that did not also include the X-Men.

image

image

image

Madelyne’s appeal to him did not work. He would duel with Storm for leadership, and lose. Partly because his mind was distracted with conflicting loyalties, but mostly because Madelyne was subconsciously playing with his head.

He left the X-Men, and joined Madelyne in Alaska, where they would start their new lives. That wouldn’t last long. The quiet life chafed at him, and
his relationship with Maddy was deteriorating fast.

image

image

image

The writing was on the wall. Let me be clear on this,their relationship was doomed. There was no real possibility of long term happiness for them. 

image

But then the 10 ton brick broke the camel’s back.

image

Jean was back from the dead. This whole runner up life he had been living was no longer tenable. He left his wife and son alone, for the only life that made sense for him.

image

He would eventually grow into the role of father.

image

image

image

But the scales were never balanced with Maddy

image

image

Scott’s has lacked the ability to manage his personal life near as well as he has the X-Men. He put everything into being Cyclops, leader of the X-Men, while the individual man was very flawed. Complications became exponentially worse when those two lives clashed. He fucks up, and falters. This episode, and the failure of his marriage to Jean would put it in glaring focus.

He is more than a little selfish as well. He becomes racked with guilt, but this has not stop his course in time to avoid hurting those he loves. Personally, I think he thrives on the guilt, and uses it to drive him forward. It is definitely the case in regards to Charles. In the last few years he has become more comfortable with Scott Summers, the man. Hopefully he will be able to handle the next major life test better.

Damn, as always Bendis knows Marvel characters better than most.

Are you saying I was possessed by the spirit of Bendis when I wrote that answer? Like the divine inspiration of the Bible? That is something else.

Okay, reading the comments about Rocket from the GOTG movie being "ableist" and I have to ask, do people make a career out of finding things to be offended by these days?

gpack3:

It’s not that hard to find offensive shit out there, especially if you have a basic sense of empathy. For instance, some people watching Guardians of the Galaxy were able to consider the film from he emotional viewpoint of not just obvious characters like Rocket Raccoon or Star-Lord, but also a disabled alien prisoner who was victim of a cruel prank. Other people not only made that connection, but were able make the further leap to consider the perspective of the amputees in the audience who might have had their respite from a reality of coming to terms with a debilitating injury, living with a new disability, and feeling betrayed by a body that they had to teach themselves how to use again for the first time since they were a toddler shattered by a reminder of all the assholes who’ve thought it would be funny to mess around with their prosthetic.

I have attempted this response a bunch of times. Most have begun with snark or sarcasm (but still witty, I think). The post comes off to me as someone trying to educate the obtuse on basic humanity. None of what you are saying was lost on me. I just don’t really concern myself with it.

I only have so many fucks to give in this life. That may be a failing on my part, but it is true. I don’t have the time and energy to get caught up in every detail of this life that fails. While I am considering all those things you said up there, I also have additional filters and control that come into play.

It’s not that hard to find offensive shit out there, especially if you have a basic sense of empathy. For instance, some people watching Guardians of the Galaxy were able to consider the film from he emotional viewpoint of not just obvious characters like Rocket Raccoon or Star-Lord, but also a disabled alien prisoner who was victim of a cruel prank.

Yes the poor alien prisoner, who was probably there for doing all sorts of heinous shit. The prisoner who most likely lost his leg during some nefarious act. I got to be  honest with you, my compassion and empathy for these characters is close to nil. While I may not be actively hoping for bad things to happen. I don’t normally have concern for how they are feeling. This is the life they chose to live.

And are we talking about the “cruel prank” that amounted to him selling his leg for 30k credits, and then having someone laugh at him, while the others panned him? Do you think he will walk away from this a scared man, and is deserving of an out pour of empathy?

xcyclopswasrightx:

It is a foreign mindset from where I come. Some people seem to want to embrace victimhood, and look for ways to interpret words as insults, or attacks on them, and others.

I once made a post about people who have not seen live music, and imploring them to fix it right away. There were people who took that as me shaming them for being an introvert, or attacking them for not having an interest in seeing live music.Me being an introvert myself, made the accusation funnier.

Do you know there are people who don’t like Spider-Woman, because she made fun of Clint for not knowing how to write a check? She is abusive because she clowned on him over inconsequential details. How does one conceptualize that as reality? How soft and delicate must your sensibilities be?

I would hate to wake up with this persecution complex day in and out. This is not to lessen whatever trauma a person has dealt with, or hurdles life put in their path. I have had my own, but I have better things to do with my time than constantly call people out for not being empathetic enough about my struggles in life. I am busy living this life, and making the most of what I have.

My hope is that the segment that does it is more vocal than it is prevalent.

Other people not only made that connection, but were able make the further leap to consider the perspective of the amputees in the audience who might have had their respite from a reality of coming to terms with a debilitating injury, living with a new disability, and feeling betrayed by a body that they had to teach themselves how to use again for the first time since they were a toddler shattered by a reminder of all the assholes who’ve thought it would be funny to mess around with their prosthetic.

Those must be the truly evolved people.

We all have our personal tragedies and demons. Everyday, we receive reminders of the obstacles in our life, both in daily occurrences and escapism. Right as it goes down, Rocket is derided for his humor. The story itself says this type of action is wrong. If this scene was enough to take an amputee out of the movie, and ruin the experience for them, I don’t know what to tell them. I figure life in general might be an exceedingly horrible experience for them.

Life is rough. Wear a helmet. The level of some of the reactions I saw to this was over the top to my sensibilities. I would hate to live in the safe padded existence some of these people want. 

.

todieliketherest:

xcyclopswasrightx:

Preview: Death of Wolverine 1
Charles Soule & Steve McNiven

I am glad Alex Ross put Logan’s best costume front and center.

he’s dying.

And im like kinda stoked to see how they play this out and how it effects everything afterwardssss

That’s where I am with this. I have seen people nay say the story, as if Marvel has killed Wolverine a bunch of times already, and this is not big deal.

Has he been “killed”? Sure, he has kicked the bucket for a few panels, or within the context of a single story, and is back before the arc is finished. They have been plot devices, not the roots for macro arcs. The times he has been considered dead, are such transitory experiences they don’t really count as being dead in comic book terms.

This is the first time Marvel is going to deal with the ramifications, and fallout of a world without Wolverine. He is a central cog in Marvel’s top 2 franchises. His influence is felt across the entire line of books. His relationships with people like Cyclops and Captain America are the fuel to major arcs. The private relationships are no less compelling. More than one book has his name on the title.

What happens when his presence is no longer felt? Who will rise to replace his various roles? Who will falter, and fall without his support?

What happens to the schism in house Xavier when Scott’s most vocal critic is gone? Are other voices able to change their course? How does Scott deal with it? Jean died in his arms before he could address his adultery. Charles died at his hands, while he was consumed by the Phoenix. Now Logan is dead before they could make their peace, He outlived the 3 most central people in his life under the worst of circumstances.

What new relationships, and bonds will be made because of, and after his death?

The ideas that will roll out of this fallout are new in the context of Logan’s impact on the MU. Marvel has spent the last year + breaking him down, and defining who he is at his core. Marvel looks to be giving the man a swan song befitting his life. I look forward to the exploration of a world without Logan, before his eventual and triumphant return.

riu1 replied to your post: Spider-Man joins the X-Men, in the fal…

Glob Herman is still about? I like him but they devolve him in a bad guy every time he shows up so I wonder why he’s even in this school. Though I think Kid Omega’s original team/gang was a squandered writing opportunity.

Last I saw of him, he was heading towards the Hellfire Academy. I was surprised to see him here. I thought they had officially turned him into a heel. I missed some of the later issue of the last WatX volume. maybe he came back.

I think there were a lot of squandered opportunities, post Morrison. Marvel ran so hard in the other direction after he went to DC, they left some good ideas on the table until context had changed, and they would no longer fit the same way.